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Topic:	Car wouldn't downshift into 1st...

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Marty Usher ...at a traffic light in Autostick this morning. It would go up but not back down to 1st. I put it in "D" and it took off in 2nd gear. I put it back in Autostick and it has shifted fine since.
Is this just a single electronic occurrence or for those that have cars go into "limp" mode, is this a sign of worse things to come?
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2000 Black with hand painted blue faded to purple flames
ed monahan Marty, limp mode puts it in second and that is where it will stay until it is fixed or you cheat and disconnect the battery. I don't think it is a precursor to a bigger problem for you. Probably an anomaly.
Marty Usher
quote:
Originally posted by ed monahan:
Marty,......Probably an anomaly.
I'll have to look anomaly up. You sure that word can be understood by people with a sixth grade education?
MeanGene Marty,
Don't flatter yourself, the sixth grade was the best three years of your life
Mike Krehel Marty,
Check your fluid level. If fluid is ok and it happens again check codes in TCM.
Thunder My kat stopped down shifting in Autostick, would shift fine in DRIVE. had shifter mechanism replaced. Everything fine since.
ed monahan Marty, sorry, I skipped the space between an and omaly, an omaly. Much shorter word, at least by two or three letters.
Marty Usher
quote:
Originally posted by MeanGene:
Marty,
Don't flatter yourself, the sixth grade was the best three years of your life
Yeah - well Nancy Lawson got held back too and if you had seen her then you'd know why I was there for three years.
MikeK - thanks for reply. I just checked fluid level at last oil change and know it was full then. I'll check it tonight.
I am hoping it just a one time thing (an anomoly according to Ed) and doesn't happen again.
ALLEY CAT
quote:
Originally posted by MeanGene:
Marty,
Don't flatter yourself, the sixth grade was the best three years of your life

idive Marty - I had the exact same thing happen to me about 3 months ago. Has been fine since. There is a possibility my fluid is low. I know I have a leak at the top cooler hose at the cooler. I need to check my fluid as well. Let us know what you find, if anything. And if you have those little black particulates in your fluid...
CJ Oh, Lord................here we go again!
cnote6
quote:
Originally posted by CJ:
Oh, Lord................here we go again!
Marty Usher
quote:
Originally posted by CJ:
Oh, Lord................here we go again!
CJ - can you approach DC for me. It would be gfreat if they could fund my driving as long term R & D.
Considering the previous nitrous use and the 10,000 miles with the additional torque from the stroker motor, and 83,000 miles of "pampered" driving, I think the tranny has held up well. HOpefully yesterday's experience was just an anomoly. (right Ed?)
Black Tie 161 Would replacing the tranny input/ or output sensors help?
Black Tie 161 I've also seen this problem addressed for other cars at www.allpar.com
RAT FINK MINE DOES THAT ONCE IN A WHILE I HAVE NOTICED IT SEEMS TO NOT DOWNSHIFT INTO FIRST GEAR WHEN I AM GOING SLOW IN SECOND FOR A WAYS AND THEN COME TO A REAL SLOW STOP....ITS LIKE THE SENSORS DONT REALIZE IT IS IN SECOND BECAUSE IT NEVER REACHED A CERTAIN RPM??? JUST AN OBSERVATION..
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Black Tie 161
quote:
Originally posted by RAT FINK:
MINE DOES THAT ONCE IN A WHILE I HAVE NOTICED IT SEEMS TO NOT DOWNSHIFT INTO FIRST GEAR WHEN I AM GOING SLOW IN SECOND FOR A WAYS AND THEN COME TO A REAL SLOW STOP....ITS LIKE THE SENSORS DONT REALIZE IT IS IN SECOND BECAUSE IT NEVER REACHED A CERTAIN RPM??? JUST AN OBSERVATION..
If you downshift manually you'll maybe know why it does that. If you downshift from 3rd to second, the revs match at 40 MPH....But shifting down from 2nd to 1st, the revs don't match until you are below 12 MPH!!!
So you may be crawling at 15 MPH, but it's still too fast for the tranny to want to automatically downshift to 1st. Usually it won't drop to 1st until you are at a dead stop only for the purpose of pulling away in first.
I think it's a self-preservation trick the tranny uses so you don't "burn out" first gear...so to speak.

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T O P I C R E V I E W
Marty Usher	...at a traffic light in Autostick this morning. It would go up but not back down to 1st. I put it in "D" and it took off in 2nd gear. I put it back in Autostick and it has shifted fine since. Is this just a single electronic occurrence or for those that have cars go into "limp" mode, is this a sign of worse things to come? ------------------ *2000 Black with hand painted blue faded to purple flames*
ed monahan	Marty, limp mode puts it in second and that is where it will stay until it is fixed or you cheat and disconnect the battery. I don't think it is a precursor to a bigger problem for you. Probably an anomaly.
Marty Usher	quote: Originally posted by ed monahan: Marty,......Probably an anomaly. I'll have to look anomaly up. You sure that word can be understood by people with a sixth grade education?
MeanGene	Marty, Don't flatter yourself, the sixth grade was the best three years of your life
Mike Krehel	Marty, Check your fluid level. If fluid is ok and it happens again check codes in TCM.
Thunder	My kat stopped down shifting in Autostick, would shift fine in DRIVE. had shifter mechanism replaced. Everything fine since.
ed monahan	Marty, sorry, I skipped the space between an and omaly, an omaly. Much shorter word, at least by two or three letters.
Marty Usher	quote: Originally posted by MeanGene: Marty, Don't flatter yourself, the sixth grade was the best three years of your life Yeah - well Nancy Lawson got held back too and if you had seen her then you'd know why I was there for three years. MikeK - thanks for reply. I just checked fluid level at last oil change and know it was full then. I'll check it tonight. I am hoping it just a one time thing (an anomoly according to Ed) and doesn't happen again.
ALLEY CAT	quote: Originally posted by MeanGene: Marty, Don't flatter yourself, the sixth grade was the best three years of your life
idive	Marty - I had the exact same thing happen to me about 3 months ago. Has been fine since. There is a possibility my fluid is low. I know I have a leak at the top cooler hose at the cooler. I need to check my fluid as well. Let us know what you find, if anything. And if you have those little black particulates in your fluid...
CJ	Oh, Lord................here we go again!
cnote6	quote: Originally posted by CJ: Oh, Lord................here we go again!
Marty Usher	quote: Originally posted by CJ: Oh, Lord................here we go again! CJ - can you approach DC for me. It would be gfreat if they could fund my driving as long term R & D. Considering the previous nitrous use and the 10,000 miles with the additional torque from the stroker motor, and 83,000 miles of "pampered" driving, I think the tranny has held up well. HOpefully yesterday's experience was just an anomoly. (right Ed?)
Black Tie 161	Would replacing the tranny input/ or output sensors help?
Black Tie 161	I've also seen this problem addressed for other cars at www.allpar.com
RAT FINK	MINE DOES THAT ONCE IN A WHILE I HAVE NOTICED IT SEEMS TO NOT DOWNSHIFT INTO FIRST GEAR WHEN I AM GOING SLOW IN SECOND FOR A WAYS AND THEN COME TO A REAL SLOW STOP....ITS LIKE THE SENSORS DONT REALIZE IT IS IN SECOND BECAUSE IT NEVER REACHED A CERTAIN RPM??? JUST AN OBSERVATION.. ------------------
Black Tie 161	quote: Originally posted by RAT FINK: MINE DOES THAT ONCE IN A WHILE I HAVE NOTICED IT SEEMS TO NOT DOWNSHIFT INTO FIRST GEAR WHEN I AM GOING SLOW IN SECOND FOR A WAYS AND THEN COME TO A REAL SLOW STOP....ITS LIKE THE SENSORS DONT REALIZE IT IS IN SECOND BECAUSE IT NEVER REACHED A CERTAIN RPM??? JUST AN OBSERVATION.. If you downshift manually you'll maybe know why it does that. If you downshift from 3rd to second, the revs match at 40 MPH....But shifting down from 2nd to 1st, the revs don't match until you are below 12 MPH!!! So you may be crawling at 15 MPH, but it's still too fast for the tranny to want to automatically downshift to 1st. Usually it won't drop to 1st until you are at a dead stop only for the purpose of pulling away in first. I think it's a self-preservation trick the tranny uses so you don't "burn out" first gear...so to speak.